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  • Interview with president of ASSITEJ, Yvette Hardie

    INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT OF ASSITEJ, YVETTE HARDIE

    Sunday, February 26, 2012

    Q: Can you outline your background on how you first became involved in working with theatre for children and young people?

    A:  I first got involved with theatre for young audiences after studying drama at UCT, where I trained as an actress. My first professional acting job was for PACT, touring with educational shows to schools across what was then the Transvaal province - these were often rural schools where children had never or very seldom seen theatre, or out of the way mining towns, where there was little in the way of theatre. I started off acting in these productions, but later began directing them as well. I was fortunate enough to work with fantastic directors such as Lara Foot whose passion for theatre and for finding new ways to access young minds and hearts was hugely inspiring. It was very challenging, touring to places where people had never seen theatre before, and I really enjoyed the interaction with young audiences. So my first experience was really a positive one. And then I went on to do a lot of other kinds of work for adult audiences, and wasn't necessarily focussing on theatre for children and young people. But it remained an interest and through teaching and working with adolescents, I became more aware of their needs in relation to theatre and the things that excited them, and I really wanted to find ways to explore that further.

    Q:  When you first started working professionally in this sector, were there many opportunities for employment?

    A:  There have never been many opportunities for employment, particularly in theatre for young audiences. At the time I started in the industry, there were the youth companies of the performing arts councils, one for each of the four provinces of South Africa, and that was the main area where one could be employed to perform for young audiences, but there were very few independent companies working for young audiences. Then, with the beginning of our democracy and the disbanding of the performing arts councils, it became more and more difficult to find permanent companies doing any form of theatre, let alone theatre for young audiences. Work became more ad-hoc, geared towards freelance artists and companies that exist in name but reconstitute themselves around projects, rather than permanent ensembles, and that's still the situation today.

    There are a few companies that manage to find funding to remain working in the field, and they usually get funding because they are willing to align themselves with a particular agenda. So if you are willing to make theatre about the environment, or theatre about HIV/AIDS, and that's all you are going to make theatre about, then it's easier to get funding to sustain yourself as a permanent company. It's very hard to be a permanent company and to do a range of work, which is not about theatre with a particular agenda. So there are very few opportunities, certainly for long-term professional employment in the industry at the moment.

    Q:  Was there a particular person or organization that you would say impacted or assisted in mentoring your development as an artist and as an educator? 

    A:  There have been many people who have had an impact on me. There have been particular directors that I've worked with who I've found particularly inspiring. Lara Foot, Clare Stopford, Liz Mills, Janice Honeyman. All of them are hugely passionate, highly intelligent, deeply insightful theatre practitioners (and all women, interestingly) who have a real sense of theatre, both from the point of view of a textual exploration that I found very challenging and interesting as an actress, but also from the point of view of a social awareness which was inspiring. On another level, Arthur Lessac has been an enormous influence in my work. He was an extraordinary voice and movement teacher whose work around physical and vocal energies also has a deeply spiritual dimension. I met him when he was 90 and he died earlier this year at the age of 101, still teaching, having just launched a theatre school in Croatia! His passion, his socio-political engagement, his capacity to reach all people through his work, was extraordinary. My relationship with him over the last 11 years, and his mentoring of me in that time, both in South Africa and America, was profoundly life-changing and has affected not only my approach to teaching and to theatre, but also to life.

    I can't say that there has been a particular organization that has impacted me. I was very inspired by the two independent theatres in South Africa - the Market and the Space, during the 80s. There are many organizations that I've worked with and their impact has been in some instances wonderful, and in others problematic, and I guess I've learnt from the challenges that they created. The National School of the Arts, where I taught and directed for a long time and where I worked with young people, was an organization that had an enormous impact on me and was also a great challenge. It was and still is an institution that is a very important one in South Africa, but very few people, both within the organization and outside, really understand its full potential.

    Q:  At what point in your career did you begin to become aware of and then involved with ASSITEJ in South Africa, and then internationally?

    A:  I became aware of ASSITEJ only in 2006. There had apparently been two attempts before that to create a South African ASSITEJ, but the people who'd been involved were very locally based people, one in Kwazulu Natal and the other in Cape Town, and in neither case were they people who were very networked, and so their attempts made little impression on the industry. I found out about ASSITEJ through a Professor of literature, Andries Oliphant, who had attended a writing workshop in Namibia that had been organized by the African ASSITEJ network. He came back and told me about it and said he really thinks this is something that we should be starting in South Africa. I'd never heard about it, but I investigated it and I then went to a meeting of African ASSITEJ centres in Swaziland and became very excited about it and realised that there was huge potential for supporting the development of theatre for young audiences on the ground. I became involved in setting up a South African ASSITEJ, which we launched at the National Arts Festival in 2007. Almost immediately I became involved internationally by first of all working with the African network, with Niclas Malmcrona,finding ways to network better on the continent, and then being introduced to the broader international community when I was invited to attend the World congress in Adelaide in 2008. There I was elected to be Treasurer of the organization, which was a huge honour and responsibility. So my trajectory in terms of ASSITEJ has been a very rapid one, and a very recent one. I feel deeply privileged to have experienced so rapidly the full scope of the organisation and to have become so intrinsically involved. And we have seen many concrete benefits for the field in South Africa as a result of becoming part of the ASSITEJ family.

    Q:  What changes are taking place with regards to arts and arts education ecology over the past few years in South Africa and also across the African continent?

    A:  Arts education has been compulsory in South Africa since 1994, and I've been involved in the writing and re-writing of the curriculum that is being used, as well as the textbooks which go into schools. South Africa has been going through a real sea-change in terms of educational practices. It tried to make a very strong break from the National Christian Education system of the past by introducing Outcomes Based Education, which on one level had many positive attributes, and on another level was extremely poorly implemented, and as a result was misunderstood, misused, abused, and ultimately unsuccessful. In arts education we've seen the introduction of many good policies, but unfortunately there has been very poor implementation of these policies over the years. I've been involved with training teachers to deal with the challenges and to incorporate the arts into their teaching in different ways.

    In terms of the arts more generally, we've seen a move away from permanent companies or theatres that support artists and commission new work, to a situation of receiving houses and independent artists trying access funding to make work to take to these houses. We've also seen the rise of Festivals as the most important site for performances in SA. That whole shift within the South Africa scene has meant that people have had to put their focus in different places. They are putting more into developing pieces that can travel from festival to festival, rather than into sustained work that is going into schools on a regular basis, for example.

    In terms of Africa more generally there is certainly a greater understanding of the importance of arts education developing. A couple of interesting developments have happened in that respect. A network has been set up, there is currently a project being done under the auspices of the AU, around mapping the scene in arts education around the continent. There's a far greater awareness than before, but in most African countries there's still a real deficit of actual arts education policies being in place, so children are getting access to the arts through the professional theatre groups that happen to do a bit of extra arts education work on the side, rather than through any kind of systematic exposure to the arts in the education system.

    Q:  Can you provide a brief overview of some of the different organizations, for example the Arterial Network, which you work with and their importance?

    A:  The Arterial Network is a network of artists and cultural activists across the African continent. There are about 32 national chapters that have already been set up and many others that are in the process of being set up. It has been enormously helpful organization in that it has dealt with policies head on, and has made artists far more aware of what international protocols their countries have signed up to, and what they say they're doing on paper, and how they can perhaps use those facts to get a better deal for the arts in their countries. It has also facilitated the growth of specialised networks, for example, a network of writers across the continent, a network of arts journalists, a network of festivals. This has resulted in a far greater exchange of work and better interaction then there has ever been in the past. Arterial Network has been very valuable in the growth of ASSITEJ in Africa, and ASSITEJ has been very valuable in the growth of Arterial Network, so we've seen each other as synergistic partners, feeding on one another's energy. PANSA is the Performing Arts Network of South Africa and is a network organization of artists across all disciplines and not just working for young audiences, and again we find a lot of synergies with what PANSA is doing within ASSITEJ. I have served on the Western Cape PANSA committee for several years, although I have recently given this up due to having too many commitments! UNIMA South Africa, which is part of the international UNIMA, and is well known to ASSITEJ. It's an important organization that we partner with a great deal. We work together on festivals (like Out the Box Festival of Visual theatre and puppetry which I am currently directing), we celebrate world days together because our world days sit side by side, and we find ways to use one another's strengths to build our own organizations.

    Q:  What do you see as being the main issues facing the development of theatre for children within the broader African context now?

    A:  Firstly, in many African countries there is no developed formal theatre system, and what is there is often inherited from a colonial background and is connected in some way to colonial baggage. This means that for ordinary children within the country there may be no access to theatre at all. Secondly, in many countries there is a perception that adults should not be performing for children, there is almost a taboo against it and it's seen as unseemly or inappropriate. Thus, very often theatre for children means theatrebychildrenforchildren, rather than theatre by professionals. Whilst I think theatre by children absolutely has its place and should be embraced by ASSITEJ, I think that both forms need to be encouraged and that professional theatre should be introduced for children in countries where it does not currently exist. Due to the theatre for development movement, which has been so strong in Africa, theatre is seen as something that is used to get a particular result. This is usually around HIV/AIDS, or education around where to find clean water, or health issues, lifestyle issues, social issues, and as a result theatre is there simply to serve a particular function and in itself it isn't an artistic expression. It means that the theatre experience is often quite poor, and not particularly engaging for children, and they see it as being only a teaching tool.

    Moving outside of this paradigm is extremely important. But finding funding for theatre for its own sake is very difficult when Africa faces so many other broad crosscutting issues, and it certainly isn't prioritised by governments, or by the private sector, or by private sponsorship. And yet the potential for creativity and the imagination is so vast and I think in many ways African children are in their very bones, creative beings. They are born into cultures where songs, storytelling, dancing and music are intrinsic, that it is really a crying shame that theatre is not given as prominent a position as it should be given, especially because African children have such an affinity with it.

    Q:  You became the ASSITEJ President at a crucial time in its history. For the first time since its inception the association has effected dramatic change in its structure, and it's becoming more open. Do you have any doubts when giving your consent about becoming its head during this transition? What do you think these changes will mean for ASSITEJ?

    A:  I don't have any doubts about giving my consent at this particular moment. I'm very excited by the changes ASSITEJ is effecting, and I feel that part of my strength is my capacity to see new possibilities and find practical ways of making these happen. I've been very involved in the talking and planning and strategising around the changes that are now coming into play, and I find it very energising to see how the organization has started to shift the way it's structured. There are many strengths to ASSITEJ and its history, and we don't want to lose those aspects of the organization that have been its bedrock, but at the same time I think there are new challenges in the world today that require a different response. Opening up the membership to networks and to individuals is a very important way of ensuring a more democratic participation across the world, and in finding ways for artists from first and third world countries to work together more effectively, for the east and the west to work together more effectively, and to find creative ways to bridge the divides that exist between us in terms of language and culture and history.

    Q:  What will be your goals and priorities in your first term as president?

    A:  Firstly one of my goals will be to put in place the policy frameworks that need to be there in order to drive the change. Secondly, to find new ways of communicating with our members which are more effective, to allow the voice of ASSITEJ to be an embracing voice that reaches out to everybody, and that finds ways of meeting people where they're at; I would like to see less of an enclave of people who are making decisions behind the scenes, and more a truly engaged leadership. A leadership that is listening to people, and dialoguing with people, and seeing how we can best move the organization forward together. During my term I'd like to find concrete examples of how we can do the things we're dreaming of doing, for example taking the New Faces Program and seeing how we can make that work effectively. Also to find best practice studies that are happening internationally, to see how we can emulate those in different ways across the organization. I also think it's a priority to engage with the younger generation within our organization, both the younger, emerging theatre practitioners, and also with the children and young people for whom we are making the theatre. We can't afford to isolate ourselves, and it is important to engage with the youth and listen to them so that we ensure that the work we make is relevant and engaging.

    A further goal is to energise regional networks across the globe: I would like to continue to build and strengthen the African network, and to assist with doing the same in networks in South-East Asia and South America, and in other parts of the world where centres are struggling and under-resourced, but could benefit from finding synergies within a regional network to achieve collective goals.

    Q:  In your opinion, do you think the establishment of regional networks will affect general policies that can then be pursued by ASSITEJ? How do you think this may aid with links between the national centres?

    A:  I think the establishment of regional networks is absolutely crucial to the direction that ASSITEJ has started to take, and I think it can only be of benefit to national centres. Regional networking allows for a stronger voice, it allows for stronger advocacy on the issues that are important to all of us, it means that we become more visible to people in power who are making decisions about what is taught in schools or what theatre is allowed in schools, or what theatre is supported through funding. Regional networks can also be a source of inspiration as we learn from one another's successes and failures. They can assist us in building infrastructure. For example, festivals can only be stronger if they start to co-operate with one another, and through exchanges we can really begin to build on festivals that are already in existence. I think that regional networks affect not so much the general policies pursued by ASSITEJ, but rather they enrich the life of the organization and particularly the life of the national centres.

    Q:  Finally, on a more personal note, how do you navigate and balance your working life, professional commitments and personal life?

    A:  At the moment I don't have a great deal of balance, and it is a continuous struggle, but I think it helps that I am passionate about what I do. I love what I'm engaged in, so the fact that it takes up so much of my time, and interferes with my personal life at times, is mitigated by that. I get my greatest joy from seeing a project come to fruition, or seeing an audience receive a piece with excitement, or feeling the engagement between the people in our organization. I know that finding greater balance is something that I actively have to work on; I hope that within the next year I'm going to be putting in place better strategies to deal with the stresses of my work life, and to be able to give myself more time out. Thankfully I have a very supportive and understanding husband. Also, nothing quite has the capacity to restore me like long walks on the beach, or on the mountain. And I live in a part of the world (Cape Town) where that is possible on a daily basis - if I can just find the time to make use of it!

     

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